Cosmic God existence dilemma

Suppose it’s true that the more one studies the cosmos, the more evidence one finds against the existence of God (somewhat in the vein of Sean Carroll). This creates a dilemma:

On the one hand, the evidence against the existence God is piling up and up.

On the other hand, if God created a perfect cosmos then it should not contain any trace of His having created it, so in fact each piece of evidence against His existence is actually evidence for it.


2 thoughts on “Cosmic God existence dilemma

  1. A corollary to that premise [which I don’t accept, but nvm that] is that since any undesigned, atheistically-generated universe has a nonzero probability of containing seemingly-irrefutable evidence for a Creator *entirely by accident*, then any evidence *for* a Creator is also therefore evidence *against* him.

    • I might be misunderstanding, but I think I disagree that this works as a corollary, and the reason is that evolution works regardless whether God created the universe or not. The apparent randomness of the universe is what we would expect from a God who is so perfect a creator that He “covers His tracks” so to speak; but the apparent wonders of the universe are not what we would expect from a random atheistic universe, least of all because “wonders” don’t exist objectively.

      To put it another way, if somewhere deep in the digits of Pi we find the sequence 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9, it isn’t just further evidence of Pi’s randomness. But 1-4-1-5-9-2-6-5-3 (the first nine digits after the decimal) are truly random. If God created Pi, we would expect not to discover any long nonrandom sequences in it (contra Carl Sagan at the end of “Contact”). (And maybe “long” has to be defined as something longer than nine digits in this case; I’m not a mathematician and I don’t know the probabilities. Since you can keep calculating Pi indefinitely I’m sure there are some nonrandom-looking sequences in it, some possibly nine digits or longer. It sounds like in real life mathematicians don’t know.)

      I also don’t think God’s existence can be thought of as irrefutable: many people refute it, and loyalty to God must be refutable otherwise it’s worth nothing. That point is made in the Bible at various times.

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